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Ok...I have a dilema here.
My much loved e800 is having digitizer issues...not insurmountable yet, but definitely NOT a good sign.
So, I may very well be in the market for a new device sooner than I thought I would be.
On one hand, I'm inclined to find a used e8xx and stick with what I really think is darn close to the perfect device for me, and wait until the springtime crop of newer WM5 devices hit the market.
The other hand says get a new one NOW, don't wait. UGH!
I have played a tiny bit with the X51v, and it looks cool, but there are so many software issues with things that are not yet WM5 compatible that it makes me nervous about getting one. I could go for the HP4700, but I really don't like the idea of the touchpad thingie, but I suppose I could get used to it, cause I guess I don't REALLY use the D-pad much anyway. (I'm more of a stylus person) It's not got WM5, but in theory, it may get an upgrade sometime next year.
Then, there's the HTC Universal. Truly a drool worthy device, but lacking dual card slots and additional memory (I really think if it has WM5 it should have 256mb persistant storage) but I have Sprint, so it would be usless to me as a phone, and it also lacks dual card slots, which is pretty important to me. Then of course, is the $1200 price tag. I could get 3 devices for that amount!
So, so I buy used and wait? Buy new? Pray the digitizer gods will smile on me and the problem will go away? I'd love to hear your thoughts on which way to go!
Get the 4700 and you won't regret it. I always use the stylus and probably will never use the touch pad unless I wake up one weekend morning and can't think of anything else to do. Seeing that I always have plenty of "help" finding things to do, I'll never use the touchpad.
Ah yes, I had the same dilema about a month ago - same device and everything. I went with the 4700 and haven't regretted the decision. The touch pad did take a bit of getting used to, but in the end - is okay.
Don't know that this helps you any...
Aaron
Every opinion helps, and I really appreciate the input!
Listen to these guys, the HP iPAQ hx4700 is where it's at. The screen is absolutely superb as well as the performance. Tie that in with TCPMP, load up an XVID and it looks better than a CRT TV playing a DVD.
And hey, the hx4700 will have a WM 5.0 upgrade early 2006 so you're save there.
-Tim
I can't say I love the Axim x51v, but it is growing on me in a big way. You might be better off with the 4700 or X50V due to the 2003 OS. That way you'd have a choice what OS you run. WM5 has some...how should we say? rough spots.
Actually Tim, the funniest part is that we all UNDERSTOOD what you meant!
I'm gonna be getting the new device in the next 2 weeks or so. But, I still don't know for sure which one! Every time I think I have decided, something makes me change my mind.
I was leaning towards the Axim, mostly for cost reasons. (I can get one with an extra battery and a titanium case for less than the unit cost of the 4700...) But then I went to Aximsite to check out what folks there had to say, and there are some scary things being said!
My plan at the moment: load some CAB files onto a memory card, and pop over to the mall. (A local one has a Dell kiosk that has the x51V to try out) I'm gonna install my most commonly used programs, and see how they run on it. Or IF they run on it.
That will tell me a lot, but I read that the X51V has some hardware issues, like disappearing SD/CF cards and a need to remove the battery/soft reset every time you power off the unit for more than 5 minutes, and huge unexplained battery discharges. That part scares me a bunch!
The way I see it, there are pros/cons for both devices but the biggest for me so far are: 4700
Cons:
1 ) Higher cost
2 ) May or may not get WM5 update
3 ) Less memory than Axim
Pros:
1 ) Can purchase at brick & mortar store with a PRP...if one of the new crop of devices is way better, could be returned and replaced for newer model.
2 ) Stable - have not heard of any "issues" with the device Axim
Cons:
1 ) Potentially unstable, heard lots of stories of product being replaced and having to deal with tech support
2 ) May not run all the software I want
Pros:
1 ) More memory than 4700
2 ) Runs WM5 already
3 ) Lower cost
4 ) Longer warranty (by a year)
Yesterday, I was sure I was going to get the Axim...today, I'm sure I want the 4700. I seem to be driving myself in circles!
Brad & Keith, can you tell me if you have had any problems with your hardware, and what type of software issues you have had?
Keith, you mentioned that WM5 was not ready for the public yet...can you be more specific about the issues you have had that leads you to that conclusion?
One last attempt to "save" you from the clutches of Dell. I just read a very good review of the 4700 and it also includes a comparison to the Axim. You can read it here http://smartmobileassets.com/cgi-bin...s,m=1135037519
One last attempt to "save" you from the clutches of Dell. I just read a very good review of the 4700 and it also includes a comparison to the Axim. You can read it here http://smartmobileassets.com/cgi-bin...s,m=1135037519
I have to admit, part of the "draw" for me is that I really like HP devices. I use their PC's and printers exclusively, and when the occasional warranty issue has arisen, they have been quick to take care of it.
My biggest hesitation against it is the D-pad, or lack therof. I read ALOT of ebooks, and I have gotten accustomed to using the scroll wheel on my e800 for this. I can also use the D-pad (Using UBook) but I'm afraid of how it will be to "turn" the pages without the D-pad. I suppose I could get used to anything tho...
Part of my issue is that I have a warranty from BB for the e800 which expires Jan 1, in just 8 days. I need to take it in, and I'm going to have to give it to them, cause I'm sure they will want to try to fix it. But, if they don't I'll get a credit at BB, but they don't sell the 4700's anymore. So, I'll be left with a credit (assuming they cannot replace the digitizer) over $500, and still device shopping. Now, a credit isn't a bad thing...Maybe I'll get that Samsung i600 I want with it...but I have to make up my mind pretty quickly. (Also waiting on a fat check in my mailbox!)
That review was pretty cool, and helpful for me as well, thanks for posting the link.
To spite it's quirks, this Axim X51V is really growing on me. First the bad. When I first started using it, it seemed terribly slow. I mean, it was so noticably slow I was disappointed I got it.
1. Loading an application takes a very long time compared to the old way the OS used to handle it.
2. I sometimes need to soft reset when travelling between access points in order to get Wifi connectivity back.
3. Program incompatibilities cause some odd behavior (i.e. Pocket Plus and Netfront)
4. Activesync can sometimes be tempermental. As if any other Activesync hasn't been that way. The first night, I just about snapped because it wouldn't sync no matter what I did, then the next morning it synced perfectly. Then 3X no sync.... But now it's working almost every time.
Now the good.
1. The memory, oh the memory... What a relief to have enough memory without having to delete and move stuff. on the 64MB devices, I had to tweak memory settings every single day in order to run all the stuff I wanted.
2. To spite the wifi soft reset problem, surfing using built in IE is an enjoyable experience. I actually look forward to using it, when before I could take PPC surfing or leave it. It is as fast as Netfront as far as I can tell. The screen may contribute to the enjoyment.
3. Speaking of screen, it's the VGA screen, need I say more?
4. Screen rotation is lightning fast compared to the prior 2003 versions. I would never use rotation under 2003 because when I'd hit the button, I'd feel like I needed to go get a cup of coffee or something while it did it's thing...3 out of 4 times it would fail, requiring a soft reset.
5. The new OS has a lot of potential. I think when developers start going "native" and convert their code to WM5 then the speed of the slower apps will improve. Perhaps a tweak in the OS would make a difference too.
All in all, I'd put this device back on the table if you desire lots of memory, don't mind little nuances with the new OS, use screen rotation and don't want to hassle with buying, installing the WM5 upgrade CD on the 4700.
Well...I finally decided, sort of.
I bought the iPaq, at CompUSA, with their TAP plan. So, when HP comes out with the new models in the spring (or whenever) I suspect that the 4700 will have an "accident" and need to be replaced. Since it will have been discontinued by then, well golly, I guess I'll have to upgrade!
I've spent a good portion of the morning trying to actually track one of these suckers down! HP has not been shipping more units to the stores, and with the holiday buying season, I had to settle for a floor model. (not that I would normally mind such a thing, but the screen was pretty smudgy, it took me about half an hour at home to get it cleaned up!)
Anyway, I spent the next couple of hours installing my software, and did a soft reset in prepartion for a backup, and damned if the fargin' thing didn't just quit on me. No response to the power button at all. Took the battery out...didn't help. Had to hard reset the thing, within hours of purchase. Talk about annoying!
So, then I spent the better part of the afternoon and all of the evening putting it back in. My question is what the bloody heck is the point to the file store, if it retains the "idea" that there are programs installed there, but no usable information about the program? What is the point? UGH!
Oh well...I finally got it together, made my clean backup image and synched flawlessly. Backed up again, after the sync.
Ok...so now I'm good to go.
Meantime, my beloved e800 is in the hands of the dreaded Geek Zone folks. There may be hope that they can replace the digitizer, but I'm not holding my breath. If they can, great! It will be good to keep as a backup. If not, well, it's a nice credit at Best Buy for something else.
Then, to round out my purchase frenzy today, I picked up the Samsung i600. I know, it's "old hat" but for me, it's perfect. I like a flip phone, and I really want it to be a phone first, since I have my PDA already. But, I will put a couple of ebooks and audiobooks on there, so that if I don't want to carry 2 devices with me, I won't feel like I'm stuck with nothing to do when I find myself in a long line somewhere. Besides, I really like the flip phone format of it. It doesn't do any tricks, like a camera, but I have a camera, yanno? I almost never used the camera on my old phone anyway. I do wish it had BT tho...but, you can't have everything.
I do like showing "The Incredibles" on it to people, and having them wonder how the heck I did that!
I bought the iPaq, at CompUSA, with their TAP plan. So, when HP comes out with the new models in the spring (or whenever) I suspect that the 4700 will have an "accident" and need to be replaced. Since it will have been discontinued by then, well golly, I guess I'll have to upgrade!
My thoughts exactly
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Originally Posted by JDTagish
My question is what the bloody heck is the point to the file store, if it retains the "idea" that there are programs installed there, but no usable information about the program? What is the point? UGH!
I don't follow what you mean. I have almost all of my programs in filestore and they work perfectly and I still have a ton of space available there.
I don't follow what you mean. I have almost all of my programs in filestore and they work perfectly and I still have a ton of space available there.
Thanks...so far I like it, although the touchpad is not hte best fo UBook...too sensitive..it keeps going backwards instead of forwards!
As to the file store, I had installed most of the programs there, and after I had to hard reset, when I tried to open the program, it told me that the files were incomplete, and could not be opened, requiring that I reinstall them for them to work.
The programs that could run, did not retain the registration codes either...I had to re-enter them.
I assume after a backup that it will all be there...or my gosh, I really HOPE so! I haven't wanted to hard reset to find out!
I'm not sure but only parts of programs go to FS, the rest (e.g. .exe files) go to the program folder and probably got deleted during the hard reset. The backup should have worked although I have had some difficulties with the Ipaq backup as well as the newer version Sprite backup. I've just accepted the fact that these backup programs don't always work correctly...most of the time but not every time.
Thanks...so far I like it, although the touchpad is not hte best fo UBook...too sensitive..it keeps going backwards instead of forwards!
Just a tip or two you may or may not be aware of. I had the same initial problems with the touchpad, if you go to settings/system then scroll to the bottom and run "Synaptics NavPoint" you can adjust the touchpad sensitivity, pretty handy... Also, you can set your record button to <scroll down> which is nice for just turning to the next page in ubook (this is what I currently do).
Hope this helps,
Aaron
Just a tip or two you may or may not be aware of. I had the same initial problems with the touchpad, if you go to settings/system then scroll to the bottom and run "Synaptics NavPoint" you can adjust the touchpad sensitivity, pretty handy... Also, you can set your record button to <scroll down> which is nice for just turning to the next page in ubook (this is what I currently do).
My Hero!
Changing the record button works great! I did also adjust the sensitivity if the touchpad, thanks for the tips!
What a relief to have enough memory without having to delete and move stuff. on the 64MB devices, I had to tweak memory settings every single day in order to run all the stuff I wanted. 
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